[Chart] the grammar of graphics

[Tim Docker]

Thanks for the reply.

What do you mean by a monoidal structure? Some parts of the existing chart
are lists (eg the plots shown on a chart, or the charts to be stacked) so
are monoids in a trivial sense. Do you mean something deeper?

A chart definition is currently a pure value (though rendering one is not).
Are you suggesting there should be a monadic wrapper to construct the pure
values as syntactic sugar?

Tim
On 22 Mar 2014 10:12, "Carter Schonwald" <carter.schonwald at gmail.com> wrote:

> woops, got a bit side tracked
>
>
> the GOG book is very very old school OOP,
> the modern ggplot2 lib is slightly different, hadley has a bajillion
> examples online + a fairly affordable tiny book walking you through how to
> use it.
>
>
> that said, a lot of ggplot2 comes down to have a monoidal configuration
> with good defaults and a monadic interface for the monoidal config, plus
> some good default for stacking plots and layering them too!
>
> Theres also that ggplot2 uses R data frames + math modelling tools quite
> heavily to the point where it hard to talk about them in isolation. Theres
> a reason why I'm working on numerical haskell! :)  (actually, i'm serious,
> thats what got me started originally)
>
> a friend of  mine started a prototype of "ggplot2 style thing done right
> in haskell, with diagrams for rendering + lens for the query / data
> manipulation language" here https://github.com/cscheid/plots Its not
> really meant for real use. But you might be able to get some basic ideas
> from there
>
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> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Tim Docker <tim at dockerz.net> wrote:
>
>>  Hi Carter - I'd still like to here this if/when you have time.
>>
>>
>> On 14/03/14 11:32, Carter Schonwald wrote:
>>
>> hey tim,
>> you don't need that book, i'll reply later this evening explaining the
>> key insight :)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Tim Docker <tim at dockerz.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> In developing the API for the chart library, there's always been a
>>> tension between type-safety and flexibility, versus suitability for quick
>>> and easy use. The current API works fine, but there's still more syntax
>>> than I'd like to get a chart into a window.
>>>
>>> People involved in data analysis and statistics, often cite various
>>> libraries as being pleasingly easy to use, (eg: http://ggplot2.org/)
>>> and these libraries often claim to be based upon this book:
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Grammar-Graphics-Statistics-Computing/dp/0387245448
>>>
>>> Has anyone looked at this book, or have an online reference to something
>>> describing it's key ideas? It's an expensive book to buy without knowing
>>> that it's going to be worthwhile.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
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